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February 18, 2017

 

 

 

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  1. opheliart permalink

    “Are the billionaire bishops guilty of “excessive accumulation of wealth by a few”? When a few people have enough money to give SUVs to 15,272 people, the answer is obvious. And the bishops owe society a lot. Obviously, I’m not suggesting that the bishops start giving away Pajeros. All I’m saying is that if you’re really pro-poor, you should be the ones giving to the poor, not the other way around. The question is, Have the bishops accumulated wealth so that they could be pro-poor? Or have they pretended to be pro-poor so that they could accumulate wealth?”
    –freethinker

    • opheliart permalink

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-migration-isnt-danger-challenge-growth-142732806.html

      WE have been watching and investigating your institution, mr pope. we know how you grow. we know what your intent is. and how you steal from the poor and make others pay for your sickness. any organized group of all male denying female positions of authority while insisting poor people have lots of babies (see INDIA where the RCC offered to pay the education of the FIFTH child. IN INDIA, of all places! knowing what five children would do to a class system society. shame on you, mr. pope, luring them in to having more and more children, more than these families could clothe and feed, and what if the fifth was a girl? did you ignore that family?) … and with your disconcerting and criminal human rights record? WE know what you are pushing … what you are doing to create poor societies. LOOK AT THE CATHOLIC COUNTRIES FILLED WITH CRIME AND POVERTY … starving children … mr. pope, that MODEL you have shoved onto others. you seem good at making others pay for your arrogance, your ignorance and your lies and deception. and your members BOAST and BRAG about how they are the largest charitable organization … while they force young mothers and overly burdened families to have children, children that grow up in poverty and crime. beaten, forced to sell drugs, prostituted, sold into sex trafficking … sometimes by your OWN high ranking officials (wesolowski) and priests and bishops and even nuns, using and abusing … raping … then hiding the crimes. this makes YOU look evil, mr. pope … creating a society that breeds to serve you and your institution, and YOU don’t even bother to pay for what YOU created. We are on to you, mr. pope …and the world will see you for what you are.

      • opheliart permalink

        and what we have taken note of is this …

        there did not seem to be the mass protests —not of the caliber—we see happening against the trump admin regarding this ban (was this a test to know their fruits?their intent? their honesty?) when the news broke on the high ranking cover up of those horrid crimes on children by your clergy and staff members. you shuffled clergy while knowing they were raping children. IN THE EYES OF THE LORD … this is considered an abomination, without reprieve. and your ethics councils and educators it seems have schooled entire societies with the exception OF A FEW … to look the other way and continue honoring you, praising you and doing business with you despite these heinous crimes on innocent and often seriously vulnerable children … WHICH YOU CREATED BY YOUR RELIGIOUS MANDATE without ever seeing to the real needs of those families told to breed and breed … and breed, while all the while you have been denying them their rights …

        you will know suffering …

        the question still stands, bishop: why aren’t we seeing the protests for the victims of clergy child sex abuse in the NUMBERS we see regarding bans and deportations? why do we not see PROTESTS INSISTING THE BISHOPS BE BANNED AND DEPORTED? and the roman catholic church supporters of you and your lying, thieving bishops… banned, catholics deported?
        hmmm … maybe this will be … yes.

        you are being watched and sad as it is to say … you are without Sense, and where there is no Sense theirs is no Gifts of the Spirit in the Eyes of the Lord. this same Lord you say you worship? please, hold your tongue, you blasphemers … you insult the One True Church of the Living.

  2. opheliart permalink

    12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    • opheliart permalink

      4NEVERTHELESS I HAVE THIS AGAINST YOU, THAT YOU HSVE LEFT YOUR FIRST LOVE. 5REMEMBER THEREFORE FROM WHERE YOU HAVE FALLEN; REPENT AND DO THE FIRST WORKS (did we not say first things first?), OR ELSE I WILL COME TO YOU QUICKLY AND REMOVE YOUR LAMPSTAND FROM ITS PLACE—UNLESS YOU REPENT.

      seems it is already too late. and so you shall be denied.

    • opheliart permalink

      http://www.miamidade.gov/police/library/crimestats2014.pdf

      people who aren’t receiving what’s necessary to survive are driven to crime. not all but many. and you should KNOW by now that the necessary has to do with more than having or not having money. it has to do with parenting, schooling —TEACHES—both church (religion?) and state; it has to do with the mental, physical, emotional, SPIRITUAL development of individuals, families, communities and entire … nations

      in which soil do you plant your seeds?

      • opheliart permalink

        13 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.

        2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

        3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

        4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

        5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

        6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

        7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

        8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

        9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

        10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

        11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

        12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

        13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

        14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

        15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

        16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

        17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

        18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

        19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

        20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

        21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

        22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

        23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

        24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

        25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

        26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

        27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

        28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

        29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

        30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

        31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

        32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

        33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

        34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

        35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

        36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

        37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

        38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

        39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

        40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

        41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

        42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

        43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

        44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

        45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

        46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

        47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

        48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

        49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

        50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

        51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

        52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

        53 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence.

        54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

        55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

        56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

        57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

        58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

        ____

        NOTE: he left the land and went to a ship to teach.

        huh, quite the Lesson on Placement. where sits Man and Where is … Truth?

        ___

        http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/catholic-church-india-followers-children-offers-large-families-article-1.961879

  3. opheliart permalink

    when an institution as large and calculating as the RCC loses numbers …

    what it wouldn’t do … illegally.

    • opheliart permalink

      without credible WITNESS … no fruit. without money to pay for those thrones of ignorance and wickedness …

      • opheliart permalink

        ephesians 6.20 … for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

  4. opheliart permalink

    do you think the RCC has it ass backwards? they rode into bethlehem ass forward on that donkey?
    where did JESUS teach? from the bow of a ship not a throne of a pervert. now why would the RCC offer education for the fifth child and not the first … in INDIA??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? what was in it for them? it would make sense would it not to educate the eldest on how he should go … to serve as a model of due diligence and LOVE for his brothers and sisters? recall the woman the men said was caught in adultery, to test Him … after JESUS wrote in their sand, they left eldest to youngest.

    the lost son? FATHER SAYS TO HIS SON when he complained of the return of the younger: everything I have is yours …

    but where have the bishops of mediocrity been satisfying God, Spirit of the Living? surely not in the houses of healing, serving as SHEPHERDS for the lost … leaving their dynasties to look for these poor.

    they expect that YOU do the work and that YOU pay for their missteps … all the way …

    • opheliart permalink

      and because they have not learned, the younger (moses?) said …

      • opheliart permalink

        http://religionnews.com/2017/02/18/after-bomb-threats-jewish-community-centers-see-virtually-no-loss-of-clientele/

        jim-jim-jim, atheist jim … ragging on trump about obama not using the title ‘islamic terrorist’?

        what makes YOU THINK these are anti-semites calling in bombs at these jewish centers? you are not comparing apples with apples here, jim. if a terrorist is caught, and he is an islamist, then he is an islamic terrorist, right? now, jim, do you know WHO called in these threats? did not think so …

        my-my the accusations are often … without facts.

        consider the poe troll and … the false news

  5. opheliart permalink

    I spy with my very keen eye … a christian baiter and … a setting up of false fears … to manage agenda? you see, many people are not pleased with israel and … the jew needs …

  6. opheliart permalink

    http://religionnews.com/2017/02/19/scientists-ponder-how-to-talk-to-the-faithful-about-climate-change/

    water won’t be a problem

    and yes, NE is facing a warming trend and will be the place people will want to be because … it will be less harsh in the winters.

    the problem is your drugs. your human waste. your sky vehicles. your ground vehicles. man has raped the land, water and even the skies with his demands to go-go-go … get there, make money, spend money … rushing into everything without thinking. wars. the explosions … firecracker festivals … missals … disrupting the natural order of things for so damn long it’s a wonder the earth is still turning.

    which nations are the worst when it comes to WASTE, pollution, drugging the environment with junk, pesticides … terrorizing the bee populations and other flora and fauna … land, water, sky abuse and ban them from entering your country and they will begin to get the picture. teach them they are rapists and molesters …

    which businesses are your enemy, rev?

    • opheliart permalink

      tiptoeing down to that altar is not going to do a darn thing. you have to be BOLD! not afraid to tell the truth. not afraid to insult and offend even your polarizing political puppet, pope fran.

      if you can’t say it where it matters most… don’t expect to receive that Gift.

      first things first, rev …. THE CLERGY-STAFF CHILD SEX ABUSE … otherwise, everything else will be FRUITLESS.

      • opheliart permalink

        if you want to know where the murderers are … and where-how to stop IS and,

        you need to HEAR … HIM. have you that gift, rev?

  7. opheliart permalink

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/arpaio-successor-pulls-back-immigration-holds-jails-194846449.html

    “The new rules come as President Donald Trump has issued executive orders demanding a tougher stance on immigration, carrying through on promises that were a centerpiece of the celebrity businessman’s campaign. Immigration officers have arrested hundreds of immigrants in the country illegally in the last week, including gang members, sex offenders and drug traffickers.

    Immigrants say agents are also sweeping up people wanted on lesser offenses and tearing apart families. The government says the actions are a continuation of policies during the presidency of Barack Obama, whose administration deported a record number of immigrants.”

    the actions are a continuation of policies during the presidency of barack obama, whose administration deported a record number of immigrants.

    what? liberal lefties, did you say something?

    • opheliart permalink

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ana-davila/drug-cartels-where-human-trafficking-and-human-smuggling-meet-today_b_7588408.html

      be honest, folks, who-what gains from keeping things as they are or worse? and why isn’t mexico and countries like it able to address these very serious problems? and why are other countries struggling with a rise in these same serious issues?

      if a nation does not view sex trafficking of women and children, for instance, the rape and abuse of these two vulnerable groups … as heinous and something that absolutely must be addressed no matter what it cost … what do you end up with? adults that are either half there due to the abuse or … victimizers themselves, drug addicts and criminals. the perversity continues.

      now you tell me what the bishops have been up to in those very catholic countries where sex trafficking and crime and drugs is raging? they are a big part of the problem. the institution is costing lives. and as the catholic conference of bishops grew so powerful in the US so has sex trafficking and drugs and …

      so ya gotta wonder what the RCC is dealing in that brings such recklessness to society. does is mandate evil by its very nature: a deceptive institution that refuses transparency?

      • opheliart permalink

        WE see—know there to be—a big link to these heinous crimes and rome.

  8. opheliart permalink

    if government officials would WAKE and do the job they are supposed to do and stop pandering to religionists and criminals … they might just begin to see THE PATTERNS … and know where and how and WHAT to ban … that they might see change. once this movement begins … much more is revealed and … holy cow, the door opens wide … on the darknesses that pervade the minds of men.

    • opheliart permalink

      let’s say it was revealed that your school district had numerous cases of teacher-staff child sex abuse and that from the custodial manager all the way up to the heads of schools lied and covered it up, but not just covered it up … used everything in its power … and it wielded a lot of power in your community —all the way up to the politicians and the president— to keep you, THE VICTIMS, and lawyers, investigators from getting to the truth …would you trust those heads? would you risk your child’s life and his future—your grandchild’s life and his future—and the life and future of your friends, family, strangers? trusting other parents sending their children there, parents who did not know this was going on? who did not KNOW what was going on???

      seems the roman catholics have not the GIFTS where it matters the most. life and death, health and HUMANITY …

      take nothing with you …

      • opheliart permalink

        when you leave a place to get away from harm, disease, oppression, sever suffering, poverty …the wrath and indifference of the dictator … what are you bringing with you that does not love neighbor if it did not love you?

        if it gives vague apologies for those heinous crimes—LIFE DESTROYING CRIMES—but does not get rid of those who deceive you: the death eaters of the world of religion? what are you doing to yourself and those around you. hell, what are you doing to communities all over the world?

        WE DO NOT TRUST YOU! nor shall YOU receive Gift if the vessel is not honest and willing in the Light on Love.

  9. opheliart permalink

    WE ARE BOLD … what is the hierarchy doing for nationals besides baiting, boasting, bleeding them dry?

    • opheliart permalink

      shall we share with you the function of a vocational priest? if a nation banned all religion what would be the outcome? no priests, no bishops, no houses of worship?

      what they did not see … would it hurt them? depends on the good and the evil, right?

      • opheliart permalink

        might it be that people would look to each Mother for …

        have you not read the Word of the Living God?

  10. opheliart permalink

    the Truth of God is this:

    until you KNOW Mother you cannot KNOW a Father. make Sense? I mean, even if you look at the nature of man and woman, a WOMB serves as what?

    • opheliart permalink

      the rcc and others have it ass backwards.

      huh, that explains the dream I had three yrs ago. a franciscan seminary-order … a man came in wearing a black cape. the novice was asleep on a table. it was dark … dimly lit … and the man wearing the cape stood behind and over the man asleep and he began to do something which I was not to watch. the dream was brief, but profoundly symbolic of the roman catholic church in its treatment of scripture.

      seriously folks? that is not how you create CHILD … the Fruit of the Spirit.

  11. opheliart permalink

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-exclusive-hundreds-texans-may-voted-improperly-133349291–election.html

    allow me to be severely honest here … every time I sit to watch the national news and a clip of the president is shown, haranguing about this or that, I get up and leave the room until it is over. the man should be behind the desk of his honest businesses not the seat of commander-in-chief. I just cannot bear to hear him speak on most topics. having shared this …

    I was shown while Communing … that he is correct on this topic (and a couple of others). and is just one reason why I have been seriously distrustful of the DNC. what I heard would shock most people, even many republicans, but it is not for me to reveal what is private … to/of my nature. I could point out men who have forced sex on children even, and still not been properly charged, but … YOU have in place by your own authority and your own choice … as it appears…a system in place … for detecting these crimes. crimes in general. for me to go on a rampage and say this one or that one has done this or that … my work has more to do with INSTITUTION, SYSTEM, LAW … IDEOLOGY … DOCTRINE … and when I write on members of institutions I speak of the AUTHORITY behind it (are you getting my dream yet? and btw, PLACEMENT of people things in dreams-visions is highly important and seriously symbolic …relating to the Writings in and of the Spirit).

    anywhere there is a body of ‘something’ for ‘something’ that bears the mark of the head, replete with wounds (see REVELATIONS) … I am used to call out a warning and …so I shall.

    democrats, you need to look closely at your own members for you have either been seriously betrayed and or … you live in denial on what your party people are capable of. you walk like you are the righteous but you are not well.

    much to come forth.

    • opheliart permalink

      you lead people right into the fires of doom, and this is not your fairytale situation where the hobbit gets out alive … you are not hobbits … you are big men with big titles, succumbing to the disease of dishonesty in power, control and … your almighty dollar.

    • opheliart permalink

      you are going to denmark? you ask. but you said the socialist ideal does not work. some time ago you said it.

      does any of it really work where government sits on its ass BUT does not move? fighting-fighting-fighting, dishonesty and the citizens end up paying for the downside of this behavior. every screwup comes out of the resident’s pocket but hey, didn’t the resident vote it in? not always … promises are too often broken where the system as a disease becomes the nemesis.

      and before these same citizens realize what’s going on they are in another war.

      change is not only imminent, it is necessary. and within this … there is guess what? change. as the article points out what works in denmark because it is so much smaller than say america … won’t work in america, and the reverse. however, change is necessary to keep people alive—moving, evolving. happier, healthier …

      why go to denmark? for me it’s about being able to write. to find a smaller place with much less noise and much less big, big and bigger and its desire to become every BODYS bodyguard and handyman, without doing the job. its smallness and seasonal mobility and environmentally CONSCIOUS climate as opposed to … the bigots and false info, for lack of knowledge and denial of the truth. … america is beautiful in many ways, don’t misunderstand … but its person is immature. it’s still a young nation, but acting like a bratty, rebellious and ungracious teen.

  12. opheliart permalink

    the best thing for the US of A would be to make the decision to become less brotherhood. to force uniting where the shoe does not fit is … insanity, and will sink every ship on every land because … of the quick … sand. the boat has yet to reach the water … it’s still in makin’ mode with too many captains and not enough crew and workers and serious worth.

    agree to break … and start anew. states, become a smaller body … much more safely managed and much more known and understood.

    • opheliart permalink

      http://religionnews.com/2017/02/20/bernard-henri-levy-bhl-genius-of-judaism/

      levy is more innovator than philosopher. a philosopher, by the book, isn’t about greatness; it’s about gentry. take jerome (a saint to the catholic and the orthodox) … he is a prime example of a philosopher, and of course, there are others.

      levy’s pride of the jew (mentorship) may be the annex of judaism, rather than a fixed point. we said judaism will fade. did you wonder why or did you fight hard to defend its purpose? what is its purpose? if a cornerstone, which it is not … it would hold together the fountain of Truth, but torah of 70 faces rather than 12 Tribulations says … this: he may save himself but can he save another? this is not to discredit his work in other countries as we have not seen this … we speak directly to the torian pulpit of judaism. his will be the assisted suicide of judaism as it is currently understood.

      recall God is impartial. pride is the death of the salesman 😉

      • opheliart permalink

        if judaism should marry christianity … not as a bastard ship full of incidentals but as a common denominator, there would form the lesson for ALL to be learned.

  13. opheliart permalink

    was cleaning my studio-work room and getting ready for significant change in my life .. and I came across a small pc of paper. it was in a box with misc stuff like really nice bookmarks which I seldom use … but can’t seem to let go of 🙂 on the paper I found some hastily written notes, notes I wrote down after asking about something found in the Writings. I don’t know why it was put in that box with things I rarely use rather than in my notebooks but there it was. it used to happen more but now that I know what I am I am more careful about keeping these types of items organized … but, I am supremely glad that I found it. all worthwhile …

    I will share.

    Paul:
    the west is synonym for flight.

    what would be the south?
    (skipping a few lines here because these are not to be shared now) it is carnage.

    then what is the north?
    (skipping a line) the north is sinners.

    the east?
    enlightenment.

    and just now I was shown the east as ART.

  14. opheliart permalink

    http://religionnews.com/2017/02/20/at-least-10-jewish-community-centers-targeted-in-fourth-round-of-bomb-threats/

    one could ask several questions on this:

    1. fourth round … what is the magic number to act on the threat should these be by terrorist organizations?

    2. are these threats by ultra orthodox jews gaming for attention, trying to prove something?

    3. why have we not been told yet where these calls are coming from? surely with 4 rounds the intelligence behind these investigations would have SOMETHING to share so where is it?

    4. if this is from anti-jew sentiment why haven’t they announced their brand?

    5. what does MOSES say to do?

    • opheliart permalink

      be warned …

      just because a man writes a homily does not make him a pastor, a priest or … a prophet.

    • opheliart permalink

      spd1275 • 2 days ago
      The arguments I am reading are expressing that my spiritual convictions are not as important as someone else’s. Yes, if I sell flowers I need to sell them to anyone and everyone. But what about my ability to arrange them? My innate ability is regulated as well? The issue isn’t human nor chicken sacrifice since they are against the law anyway. What if I express my religious opposition to gay marriage, but arrange the flowers anyway. If the buyer doesn’t think I did my best I can be prosecuted for not trying hard enough.

      I have been a long time opponent to trying to legislate morality. Yet now we are stepping into the age of legislating the use of a person’s talents. If I am a good floral arranger but elect to serve ice cream si I don’t have to use my talents for same sex weddings, under present court orders and discrimination law, I could be prosecuted for withholding my talent as floral arranger because it deprives the LGBT community.

      Where does it end? Well, logically, by outlawing my faith, because IT is what causes the offense.

      Spuddie spd1275 • 2 hours ago
      How about being more honest here. The issue is whether your religious convictions and power relationship with others allows you to impose your views on people or attack their rights.

      Your religion is not grounds for attacking access of open commerce and government services to others. It does not grant you an exception to anti discrimination laws. If your flower shop, bakery or whatever sells it’s wares to the general public, then you must serve the general public. If you want to be more selective, then engage in more closed forms of commerce.

      It’s amazing how you can cough up a libertarian argument for attacking civil liberties of others.

      Where does it end? When people don’t discriminate against customers and can act civil towards them. When people can shop without having to navigate the personal prejudices of others.

      Your religious convictions to demean and maliciously attack others aren’t worth squat to society. They do not deserve power of law..

      ___

      atheist …dude, this is just not going to fly. both you and saperstein will be out on your ear.

      YOU WILL LOSE AND LOSE BIG, atheist.

      never in my wildest have I seen such blatant abuse of interpretation. it’s FASCIST intent and spud is wayyyyyy out of line and it is showing that these types of arguments coming from the opposing side (not having things exactly their way) will not take shape for anything AND … this is one very obvious reason trump and his far republican suit are sitting in ‘your’ hallowed seats!

      this is not just an american thing so here it is in a nutshell:

      1. “how about being HONEST here.”
      commenter is being honest but atheist has say over what is honest and what isn’t? hmm that is very dangerous material. it’s called STRANGULATION

      number one bad mistake.

      2. attacking the rights of others
      and the commenter’s spiritual beliefs have no rights BECAUSE SPUD, of opposing view, says so? hmm … where is the attack?

      number two bad mistake

      3. attacking …….. attacking?
      define attack? I hear no verbal attacks coming from the commenter just honesty. if anything, it is spud attacking the commenter! right or wrong is not even in question as commenter has not said anything verbally abusive let alone attacking. commenter is merely addressing a concern … the right to her views, to be used based on her TALENT, and yes, this we brought up some time ago on this very topic. hmm… denying artists their vision of the work because a group determined to have their way … is so draconian and so … roman catholic dogmatic. good grief are we really entering that sinisterness …again?

      number three very bad mistake

      4.”religion is not grounds for attack …”
      what religion, spud. did the commenter mention a religion?

      number four bad mistake.

      5. MALICIOUSLY attack … attack, there’s that word again. why is spud so strung out on that word? this time it is a maliciousness.

      where? how? no proof, spud … we think you need new material …

      the bad mistakes keep piling up to build one hell of a wall!

      we will end it here … it’s becoming an absurdity.

      • opheliart permalink

        the tables will indeed turn and these types of “attacks” on believers will end as they will be arrested for harassment, debasing and slander.

        you brought in on yourselves …

        what? RNS won’t save your ass? RNS is a religious news service, spud … they serve RELIGION! if religion is paying they will be staying. and you will be the one without a horse … dude.

        the wild wild west … like we said several yrs ago here in SPIR.

  15. opheliart permalink

    I remember a reformist type jew (judaism) accusing me of being anti-religion. have no idea where she got the idea, other than me mentioning the Christ in a positive way and stating I am gnostic, both of which obviously do not sit well with her in her biased state of mind (we know what the rcs think of the gnostic. hell, they tortured, maimed and murdered gnostics, but maybe they got the idea from the jew … at one time in its pious history?)

    what? I am not permitted to express myself from a SPIRITUAL PLACE and not a RELIGIOUS PLACE? not permitted to challenge religion about any of its intentions, doctrine or THE WRITINGS? and she is? but, you see, she was-is clearly a christianity hater. has absolutely no understanding of the new testament. thinks it is attacking her, but you don’t here a peep about her own clan’s behavior where it fails to identity its own hypocrisy and denial. why? because she spends her time criticizing something she does not understand? is she antichristian? yes, she is. but … if all her experiences are viewed through a tainted or biased lens regarding christianity then she is really doing it to herself, right? she is a type of suffragette, under her own voting guideline. she acts as if her version of judaism is THE righteous and THE law that the lands should honor and obey. it is not and these types of crits are going to lose and lose big. which is probably a good thing because it really is time to wake up to the reality of things.

    • opheliart permalink

      unless you move out of your religion, can you legally and ethically use your own religion–beliefs and principles (and yes, atheism is a religion as is politics) to abuse and accuse another religion? and make them behave the way you/your beliefs and principles… desire? this just does not cut it … is not impartial. today there are numerous choices for gays in the marketplace regarding marriage services so where does it end on their demands? the demands of the LGBTQ-? no where is there documentation in the form of law that states where-how people are to behave by way of their talents and their gifts to satisfy any one group. force is often used by way of threats …that has happened to mystics. things like “we will murder your family if you don’t give us what we want”… “we will destroy you if you don’t do as we say” but how can government strangle a believer’s SPIRITUAL welfare by insisting he pay into and support something he may see as a growing threat to freedoms… even freedom not yet manifested within his gifts? who is to say what medical-health info will come out about the lifestyles today. it may be that things are not as rainbowish as some want you to believe, and that’s just it …some don’t believe sodomy to be a healthy practice or …something else belonging to the LGBTQ religion. come on, folks, if you play the fascist, or act in the manner of a forcing conversion on others, you get it right back at you.what goes around comes around.

      • opheliart permalink

        and oddly, I don’t here a peep out of her about those heinous crimes on children in those big establishment religions, taking tax payer money …

        and btw, it just came to me … those threats on the jewish organizations … you, know, the fourth round threats? what if it’s the jew fearful of having taken the lion’s share of the grants from homeland security? we posted the articles several times. maybe they are trying to make it look like they have a right to all that money? those grants? hmm …

        be careful what you believe …you should know by now how islamic extremists love to take credit for death and destruction.

  16. opheliart permalink

    Tues.

    wow, the 21st of feb already. spring is getting close.

    was having a shadow dream into the wee hrs of the morning. what is a shadow dream? where there is a heavy cloud over the sentencing of … something.

    in this case … the “indian”. the term indian in america is interesting. as a child I liked the idea of playing the indian and not the cowboy … but I never actually played that game. I saw it played by others, but I never played that game … but it does not change the fact that the indian was to me a color I preferred over the color of the cowboy (not a black and white thing here. I speak in metaphor at times as this is the way … some of the time).

    the indian. native peoples in america? who is a descendant and who is not?

    I have referred to myself as an alien. never an illegal alien because we know what this stands for. I say alien because I am a gnostic, but I am shown to ask YOU if I am an illegal alien in the world? if in and of the Spirit of the Living God, does this make ME illegal to the world … because WE are not of the World? our work is that of the Spirit.

    if I am not of america in the way that other americans are … am I illegal? if I am not of the believer in God (the Christ) the way other believers are, BASED ON WHAT THEIR RELIGIOUS AUTHORITY STATES … am I a heretic in the world of men in america? am I illegal in america? I was born in america but not reborn (active in my Spirit ID) in america, but it was through experience in america that I was abused, used … grew. and it is in america that I NOW feel even more … alien.

    there are things I would like to get into here but I am not sure SPIR is the venue … these comments are to be the answer to so many questions invoking SPIRIT, good and evil.

    will have to consider my options at this time. if any.

    • opheliart permalink

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/publisher-cancels-milo-yiannopoulos-book-dangerous-223646571.html

      sometimes I think no one is listening then there it is … something not about the money but decency. we said not to publish what goes against Conscience or what you (your business/co) believes is not right, indecent, even dangerous. and there it is … a rare example.

      • opheliart permalink

        I wonder how many priests, bishops on up in the RCC are now disappointed.

        what? booooh! booooh! ? you can’t be serious. I am no where near the X-rated vitriol that comes from the non believing elitist militants so … wise up or give it up for … THE Truth.

    • opheliart permalink

      good for you, catholics, on calling them out, but it took TEN LONG YEARS? what were you doing? caring for the poor? THESE ARE YOUR POOR!!!!!!!! spiritually poor ingrates … your own bishops. and do ask how they got to be in those seats. not that you were entitled to an election but it from your hard-earned money that put them there … in those nice cushy mansions in those nice cushy business seats.

      this is just the tip of the iceberg, folks … the catholics will be dumb-struck startled and dazed then screaming with fear as they flee that church of theirs when the whole truth and nothing but the truth really starts to come out.

      everything we said so far is coming forth. in God’s time, which should tell you what?

  17. opheliart permalink

    consider this: hitler gets a second chance at his ideology. his desires. what would be left in the world but hilterites? is of this same mindset. this does in no way say all muslims think like this. heck no. but if push comes to shove and people are suddenly in a position to choose, AND THERE IS A THREAT, think what happened in germany under hilter’s growing military brotherhood! … and they feel through being a muslim their lives are at stake (remember to most muslims they cannot leave islam), their families are at risk … WHAT WOULD THEY PAY INTO SUPPORT? what would they choose? a no-brainer, folks …

    and there is an alarming amount of evidence SHOWING the islamist gaining ground … using its ideology … using religious freedom to get what it wants. come on, do your homework. do we really need another brotherhood like the catholic conference of bishops, calling itself the islamic brotherhood? and what if these two monstrosities merged? um, say goodbye to female … growing.

    • opheliart permalink

      it did not have to be this way. it did not have to come to this. if state had not shook hands with church, using it to gain voters, power, which allowed religions so much political strength …

      separation of church and state never really happened. but since man cannot help it and must use religion in some way to achieve something within politics, then do it in a way that is much less vastly multicultural political religious … so that you can agree to agree on policy and not spend so much time butchering each other’s reputations. as it stands, some things will occur to attempt for europe to try to reclaim its person. the only way right now that is not abusive or coming off extreme is renewal of GOD, Spirit of the Living, and the ART in {this} always comes first. not pics of warring, stabbing, head chopping … oppressed images … of men and women, but the breath of God.

      go ahead and paint the ANGELS of the Living… make it come alive!

      and if any religion is offended by this ART then tough beans, go somewhere else. can’t please ’em all nor should any nation try, and lose itself in the process. it’s called suicide in case you are wondering what losing self looks like.

      • opheliart permalink

        as it stands wilders may get hit with a bullet like that poor man in turkey.

  18. opheliart permalink

    remember, folks, so very many religious are never given a choice about who-what to worship and how. think about this. how fair is it to be born into this kind of dimension? it’s flat. esp female in male dominated nations. she has NO CHOICE in something like islam, even in so-called civil society the pressure is on her … far more than the left and right are willing to admit. both are guilty of ignorance and denial. and think how many people are forced to obey their religious leaders? think of the nations operating in an extremist ideology. the liberal left is so seriously in denial if he thinks any nation taking in millions (religious, young and heavy breeders) will not be severely impacted by this. it’s utter madness. unless this is exactly what he pushes for … another society of something else, religiously? extreme? he needs different workers? he doesn’t see women as his equal? why jeopardize a youngish nation trying to move into a more HUMAN face … a more mature and pacifist person by using extreme religion to wage a war on …. the existing?

    YOU WILL LOSE YOUR NATIONAL PERSON. they, whoever they may be, if of a significant lifestyle difference, whether it is drugs and hostility and breaking of laws, brotherhoods and abuse and misuse of female and children … or religious demands OF PRACTICE that state just never says no to … and all that dishonest campaign rhetoric and …

    you got yourself one hell of a problem … unless,

    too late for some, so …

    • opheliart permalink

      Spuddie Jim Johnson • 24 minutes ago
      Its only because we disarmed the Christians ones here. If there was political capital to be made by dictators in arming Christian Fundamentalists, it would be done.

      ____
      who is “we”?

      • opheliart permalink

        the atheist is going bye-bye … you are wrong in what you just said, SPUDDIE so wrong, in fact, WE are going to demonstrate just how wrong YOU are!

        you see, folks, when your brothers lie … deny and misuse … abuse any “authority” given to them … they receive back this same dynamic.

  19. opheliart permalink

    something the atheist like spud and his liberal leaches don’t get is that just like in patriarchal religion in the US, members are stuck. they are afraid to leave their religion—the doctrine—because of FEAR and guilt. although many have, the bishops on up to the pope itself … have a lot of power and will use it where they feel they need to to continue their power-mongering and their control over the laity (why the political puppet pope is so goo-goo over the muslim brothers?) islam is much the same and in case you weren’t paying attention, we posted on one woman and her children that fled egypt for america, having converted to christianity, and for ten horrifying years—WHILE IN AMERICA—she was hunted by the muslim brotherhood.

    so, spuddsie, what are you really empowering in the US? in your ignorance …

    those who break from islam having any VOICE … ? why do you think such a surprising number of muslims say they would prefer shariah law in the US? it may be for power and control (YES!) it may be because that’s all they really know … it may be because they are fearful people.

    SPUD< are you potting them or setting them free in all your pro-islam hate christianity rhetoric.

    but it is time to let you fall … off that overly high chair you sit in.

    • opheliart permalink

      and lastly, who is paying for all the incoming … in need? the bishops? or do they make a certain dollar amount for every single refugee-immigrant-asylum seeker that uses their charitable services?

      • opheliart permalink

        https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/tag/usccb/

        “They believe that Obama’s last proposal, sent to Congress in September 2016, will continue to be operative and that his huge ‘recommendation’ for 110,000 refugees to be admitted this year will be honored by the incoming Trump administration.

        Curious to see the last time we admitted more than the astronomical number of 110,000 refugees in one year, I went back to the Office of Refugee Resettlement annual reports and found that we must go back to 1995 (Bill Clinton) to find a year when we brought that many refugees. It was a year that we admitted over 30,000 Cubans, 30,000 Russians and 30,000 Vietnamese.

        Just a few days ago I posted a widely read post about this week as National Migration Week at the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and how much of your money is going to the USCCB.

        The USCCB’s migration fund is 97% funded by you! Their ‘work’ is not funded by Catholic parishioners giving their own private money!”
        ____

        I imagined being stopped by a college student while walking the streets of northampton … student holds a large sign with the words: REFUGEES—IMMIGRANTS WELCOME! so I ask the student, “who pays your college tuition?” “my parents.” I point to the sign and ask, “and you want them to pay for theirs, too? how about you forego college and let your parents give the money to the refugees and the immigrants and the asylum seekers; sound like a plan?”

        I go to northampton the next day and I see the same student holding a sign that reads:

        “COLLEGE SHOULD BE FREE IN AMERICA! ELECT BERNIE SANDERS!”

        I say to the student, “where have you been? that ship has sailed. your political party sabotaged his campaign.”

        I go to northampton on the third day and I see that same student with another sign. it reads:

        “ELECT JILL STEIN!”

        I pause. then I ask, “are you on winter break? or are your parents paying for you to skip your class?”

        😉

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