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“The Flood” by Demography

August 18, 2014

I saw the Noah movie the other night, but before I share in this, I want to state two things that many Religious do not understand, and I say this based on articles written, comments posted and “his Religious Demography” … decade after decade after decade. Many of those claiming belief in God and of the Christ Way, have forgotten the WAR, and the Realm of the Spirit within this.

 

 

The following is a post and a response post to an article on RNS (re: theologian Elizabeth Johnson’s book and the Vatican)

Deacon John M. Bresnahan August 16, 2014 at 6:26 pm
The Episcopal Church has become as loosey-goosey as any
radical nuns and leftist Catholics could ever want. And what has resulted??? Chaos, disintegration, rampant heresy, destruction of moral teachings, etc.
Have these nuns ever asked themselves why their stances are so loudly cheered by people who hate the Church and want to see her destroyed????
Thus 3 cheers to the bishops for the work they have done top keep the Church orthodox. For going back 2,000 years to St. Ignatius of Antioch it is the bishops who are the official teachers of the Church –not arrogant theologians or malcontented nuns.

 

kev August 17, 2014 at 4:17 am
Haha maybe because “the church” is too self-serving to actually spread the gospel, not to mention outdated and evil considering their blatant support of pedophiles. It must destroyed so that actual believers can live in peace without be suffocated by those who simply believe that they believe, sorry that you’re offended by these “radicals”.

 

********* First, * not commenting on what the nun theologian has written, as I am not of her work* the Deacon does not understand what is meant by “orthodox” … and second, he is clearly biased, which does not permit him to see his own injustices. He does not see the error in the dogmatic “state” because he lives within a portal of “dementia”… which is another way of saying that he has overdosed on his own character alias. His feeding habits for too long have culminated ignorance beyond his ability to receive what Christ initiates within belief. And this is only half his problem.

Part of me says: Lord, the ignorance of these who do not see their own plight.  And I hear, “He does not know that the LIFE of the believer is without contradiction, and therefore undenied.”

If Deacon is such that he is unmoved then will he be removed? The choices are there … if Religious are of a mindset (stiff-necked) that they cannot turn, then MINA will be given to those who have moved, for it is GOD THAT WILL NOT BE DENIED, regardless of what the Deacons claim as “the church.”

 

Weary of the avarice, the docility and the ignorance?

 

How easily man serves mammon, and lives by his decrees and codes. It’s futile messaging, but the angel did tell John:

But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot  for forty-two months. And believe me, I have asked why the mindset of Patriarchal Religious have been permitted what seems like so long a paradigm. There is an answer in Revelation, as well as Matthew 16.2.

 

So, you see what is of the Word of God. The time is now for rehabilitation.

 

Here is the grand finale.

Deacon: These atheists that want to destroy the church will burn in hell.

Spirit Mentor: Atheists? Why do you think the “atheists” do not believe in God?

Deacon: They choose death over life. They refuse to believe!

Spirit Mentor: Some of these once believed. Why did they stop believing? Others have never believed. Why don’t they believe?

Deacon: They want only what they want. They have an agenda to destroy the church. They deny Him, the one true God.

Spirit Mentor: So, you are saying they are evil? Those that oppose what you believe is the church are demons?

Deacon: They choose evil.

Spirit Mentor: And what have you chosen, Deacon?

Deacon: That is a stupid question. Of course I choose God!

Spirit Mentor: Do you? Have you chosen God, or have you chosen what you believe is God?

Deacon: Don’t be an idiot! Look at the Church Fathers, and what is written.

Spirit Mentor: Are you referring to the Apostles chosen by Jesus of Nazareth?

Deacon: Uh, no, I was referring to the saints of the church.

Spirit Mentor: The saints? Who are these? The Gentiles? God is no respecter of persons, and partiality is a sin. Have you not learned these simple truths? Why would God favor your saints and burn in hell those who do not believe what man has written—these  you call father having instituted theology as God Authority? Does God tell you who He has chosen as saints? Does He tell you who He has chosen as Martyrs? Did you not see what is of truth? And call no man on earth your father; for One is your father, which is in heaven. Do you think a few men are to be given all there is to know in one season, or even two? Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in a day?” Did you think there was only one hour, or two? And have these you call father seen all within the twelve?

Deacon: You are one of them! You want to destroy the church!

Spirit Mentor: Where is your angel, Deacon? The one you must wrestle for Understanding. This is the silver to gain Truth. Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s. Have you not learned  … I am the way the truth and the light, and no one comes to the Father except through me? What is me, Deacon?

 

 

Christ with Mary and Martha

 

 

Why does the Vatican slap the hand of the woman theologian ( and the nun order for giving her an award)? I read in another article that Cardinal Dolan of New York told Elizabeth Johnson that the reason her book was singled out was because of its influence. What influence? Is the Vatican so simple-minded that it cannot see its own chastisement? The obvious here is that the Vatican does not like competition (and losing out on all the money). But let’s look at this another way.

I asked a theologian the purpose of the nun’s book, and is it of God Purpose. He answered: While theology is vital, it must always be discerned and every good theologian says this—rightly so. I don’t know of any theology that is “of God.”

I responded: Then this tells you something about theology, or the nature of theology. This is a very important awareness part. This also tells you that the theology of Augustine of Hippo, or any other “writer” is just that—theology—and is always up for discernment no matter what the chieftain says.

Where is the Farmer, the Athlete and Warrior in denial of competition—the resistance? The Farmer must farm in inclement weather or he does not eat, nor can he feed his family. If he receives no rain and no light … will his crops grow? What strengthens the Athlete but that which tests his strength, and the Warrior does not sleep.

 

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I find it of an adolescent mentality that the Vatican wants only his own likeness, and this likeness is not only of questionable durability, but also of questionable goodness, for what institution is in denial of itself?

Truly mind boggling … I must say.

 

Man says, “Somethings smells bad.” Prophet says to man, “You are sitting on a heap of dung.” Man says, “How dare you! I am king of this hill!” Prophet says, “You are still sitting on a heap of dung.”  Man asks, “Why do you say this?” Prophet answers, “Because it smells bad.”

I am certain few get this, so I will attempt to share in its Symbolic message. First, Prophet never accuses man; he merely states a fact. Man comments on the bad smell, so he has the ability to smell bad. Prophet has vision that man does not. He sees what it is that smells bad, and it is the heap of dung that man claims is his own. Man desires to know why Prophet says this, and Prophet answers.

Also, I should point out that it is circular in shape.

 

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Many who say they believe in the God of the New Testament say there are no more Prophets. These may recognize that a few have prophetic ability, but do not fully understand what is the “food” of this.

And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to SPIRITUAL people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you  with milk and not with solid food; for until now, you were not able to RECEIVE it, and even now you are still not able; for you are still carnal. 1 Corinthians 3  … continue reading.

 

They often engage within the understanding, based on religious venue and teaching, that the Prophets were of the Old Testament, or that Jesus is the last Prophet. Some, however, go the other extreme and believe self is Prophet, or that their “pope” is Prophet. Both of these placements are without the Realm of the Spirit (and please note that I state REALM). First, having others agree with your “vision”, and having them follow you, does not necessarily make you a Prophet in Light. Even if you are of a large Religious Denomination, and many see you as a type of visionary because you incur change, or you are popular and satisfy specific desires of the Religious … does not make you a Prophet, or even, prophetic. It is not hard to convince billions that you are a sinner, “please pray for me, I will live humbly, I call for peace, give your money to the poor … ” Sounds to me like someone in a pulpit. If this is all you believe that it takes for vision, or even, hearing, then I fear for you Religious. Please understand that I am not saying this is wrong; I am saying this is not PROPHESY. A Prophet in Light is of  “the necessity of Truth.” Religious choose who they follow; the chosen are not of Religion; they are of the Spirit, and One is.

 

The Prophet is founded on rock, not sand, and within this is what?

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I find the Vatican incessantly boring, and so many tied to this faction, incessantly sacked. What kind of men are these that deny all who challenge them? Is Elizabeth Johnson not a Luther? Thank God Humanity has stopped the crucifying, burning at the stake and such … in some states, or we would be witnessing another INQUISITION … hmm … This does make one want to question Vatican ethics in society. Are these nuns obstinate children—not performing to the “regime” of the dictators? Even a parent allows the child to experience and grow.

 

To continue …

A few more posts from the article (Re: Elizabeth Johnson and her book)

Art Deco August 17, 2014 at 1:02 pm
Ahh, the Church of Feminism.

 

Diana August 17, 2014 at 2:34 pm
I am so glad that God is raising up so many wonderful new sisters and communities who are faithful to His church and are not part of the LCWR. In this article she said she couldn’t find any females to study from Church history but were all men. There are many Catholic women of the past who have written much to study: Saint Catherine of Siena, St. Theresa of Avila, St. Therese of Lisieux just to name a few. If you are protesting what the Catholic church teaches and leading people away you are not Catholic and you are unfortunately pulling people out of the Catholic church and endangering their souls. I pray for this sister and others who are part of LCWR, that they will align themselves faith as they have been asked to do and that they will finally help guide other women to the true faith.

 

Roberta Lavin August 17, 2014 at 3:30 pm
You should take the time to read her speech again and look at her area of study. She said, “Every cultural era brings new questions which theologians try to address. Early on one key question arose for me when I realized that all the great thinkers whom I had been exposed to in my studies were men. I loved many of their insights. But where were the women? I was struck by the absence of their critical insights and spiritual wisdom. Inspired by a pioneering generation of American women theologians…” That is different from your interpretation. The women you mention are first, not theologians. They did write on spirituality, but they had their own areas such as mystical thoughts and prayers of Catherine of Sienna. Academic scholars have an area of study. They study and write within that area. Because until after Vatican II the area of theology was almost entirely limited to men and specifically priest there would be not female theologians in her area. That is very different than no women wrote on theology.

Finally, her writing is consistent with Church teaching and the catechism of the Catholic Church.

 

Elizabeth D August 17, 2014 at 3:39 pm
This is mainly all about her! The LCWR sisters are just unreal–and sad. Their liking for Elizabeth Johnson has to do with their gender ideology and widespread rejection of male names for God (who is precisely the FATHER of Jesus) and their increasing panentheism or pantheism and ecofeminism. There is an all too widespread movement to “evolve” into actually a new religion that is not really recognizable as Catholicism anymore. There are DEEP divides within religious communities in different sisters’ understanding of the nature of God, leading some to pathetically gloss over it with language about God as “unfathomable mystery” that is really about theological indifferentism. The problems come out of the question everything/change everything dynamic of the 1960s. These orders are facing a demographic cliff. The more traditional, more orthodox groups of sisters are doing a lot better and they are the future. The latter are happy to say “Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now and will be forever. Amen. Alleluia.”

 

*********Please note, where I have put in bold … endangering souls. This reminds me of a dream I had. I shared it once already in SPIR. I was talking to a mother in the bedroom where two boys sleep, then Pope Benedict (Ratzinger), came into the room, opened his robe (exposing himself, although I did not see his nakedness), and the women’s speech became slurred. She could no longer speak.

That was a bit alarming. Just think of the Spiritual Symbology.

protesting what the Catholic Church teaches (that infallible dogma?) … pulling people from the Catholic Church. Oh? Hey everybody, listen up! You are not permitted to speak unless you are a member of and serve the Roman Catholic Church. This sounds a bit extreme to me—wouldn’t you say? Maybe she ought to be investigated. Oh, wait, it’s the RCC that’s the INQUISITION … and permitted by the law of man to judge. Darn, how could I possibly forget?

Treading the holy city underfoot? Not a bad field of study I must say—the Johanian Ark? Would the Holy City refer to the Generation of Light Carriers—those of Truth? Francis, Klimacus, Chrysostom, Miriam, Mary, and Josabeth? Josabeth, you ask? Who is she? SHE is a highly symbolic remnant! And her place has nothing to do with the Roman Catholic Church. O wake, indeed!

The “treading the holy city underfoot” is to determine the WHOLENESS OF THIS GENERATION OF LIGHT.

 

Rules are for the Religious; Readiness is of those Ripe.

 

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The movie Noah … continued in the next essay.

 

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Peace and Love

 

 

 

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One Comment
  1. opheliart permalink

    Alf, I read your comment to the Johnson article and saw that it needed to be added here:~)

    Alfred Eaker August 18, 2014 at 12:27 am
    I question how many comments come from those who have actually and thoroughly read Johnson. While I have not read the book “in question,” I have read several of Johnson’s works, including what is, perhaps, one of the most diaphanous essays on Mariology to date.
    Unfortunately, even, “Truly our Sister,” was met with uniformed and sophistic reactions. Typical was the plethora of objections to Johnson’s title and references to the Marian image as “sister.” The book was labeled, by extreme right-wing factions and lazy readers, as “feminist,” although Ms. Johnson addressed and saw value in both traditional and progressive perspectives on that mode of spirituality. She presented objective and subjective imagery of that symbol as Mother, Sister, Companion, Counselor, and Protector.
    The Catholic Church of the early twentieth century would have embraced much of Johnson’s expansive language, which is the precise reason Jung praised the Church.
    However, since Vatican II, there has been a degree of sloppy ecumenism, which jettisoned the pronounced maternal symbology that had long distinguished the Catholic Church. In short; the Church, always too patriarchal to begin with, was influenced by an even more pronounced patriarchal Protestantism: i.e. offspring influencing the fathers.
    One striking thing that separates Christology from contrasting religious traditions are the sublime narratives of Christ with women. These tales are among the most distinguished in all religious literature. In the gospels, we find a figure who treats women as companions on an equal spiritual plane. The early Church recognized this, which is why we see, among the first catacomb images, the depiction of Christ and the Samaritan Woman at the well, Mary, etc.
    Today, how often do we hear of the value found in John’s vignette of Christ and the woman at the well? It is almost a forgotten narrative. I, for one, have never seen that story depicted in any film of Christ, etc. Yet, for the first Church, it was among the most important narratives to represent in artistic retellings.
    In this, Christianity differed from Judaism and Buddhism, both of which were predominantly made-up of male-centered narratives. Yet, it did not take the Church long to shift focus away from the gospels’ maternal tenets. Still, giving credit due, it retained a strong Marian image. After the reformation, it was practically the only church which did so (Eastern Orthodoxy excepted). Across the board, Protestantism threw the maternal emphasis out like yesterday’s bathwater. Over the last fifty years, Catholicism has been following Protestant lead in this, as opposed to setting the example.
    What Johnson has proposed in her writings is a return to the early church focus on authentic, spiritual egalitarianism. The late Andrew Greeley said: “we need a mother in our Holy Family.” In addition to Mary, we find a vast array of mothers in our women saints, nuns, etc.
    We claim to uphold traditional family, yet in leadership we have a decidedly one-sided family, lead only by church “fathers.’ it is a family shorn of maternal voice.
    Oddly, it is the U.S. Bishops, as opposed to the bishops of Rome, who are leading the ostracizing charge against Johnson. I am not so sure that is altogether surprising when we have bishops like Olmstead amongst their lot.

    Olmstead may be a quintessential, lopsided patriarchal interpretative example of “egalitarian’ only through submission. Where was the maternal in this bishop when he agreed with a local priest in refusing communion to an autistic teen because one such handicapped could not understand the “complexities and depth” of transubstantiation?
    Another example of iron-fisted patriarchal thuggery might be found in a Denver diocese. The Our Lady of Guadalupe parish was blessed with a longstanding mural of Our Lady until a male parishioner complained about the mural,saying that Mary only belongs at the foot of the cross. The priest and bishop agreed and “whited out” Mother with another, blank wall. yet again, here is male dominance quashing the creative, feminine, artistic spirit.
    To this day, three years later, parishioners from Our Lady Of Guadalupe still gather every Saturday to protest that erasure. On Sunday, those same parishes go to mass.
    This is likened to U.S. bishops attempts at ‘whiting out” Johnson (and more like her).
    Although Catholic, I attended Christian Theological Seminary; an ecumenical, Protestant grad school seminary. After having to state our denomination, I was inundated, a few times too many, with those predictable by-the-number misconceptions born from one outside looking in. However, one comment rang both true and astute: ” My issue with the Catholic hierarchy is that they are not open to either criticism or self-criticism.”

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