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October 2, 2013

And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. Revelation 5.8

What does this passage from Revelation teach us? Does it tell us to pray to saints to help us? My experience shows me that praying to a saint for intercession would only qualify (be of purpose) if the person praying is known to the saint. Like religious hierarchy, the Angelic Realm has orders. It does not have a pope, but it does have a hierarchal stream, one that is highly and sequaciously complex. Its union is Spirit-continuous, and glorified within its own priestly service: founded, performed, permissive and regal … within [its] Character. We have only to look at the tree and its fruit to understand this, and to understand what is taught in Matthew 7.21-23.

So, what does the passage in Revelation teach us? First, we must ask who/what are the four living creatures. The four living creatures are:

Kindness (compassion, lovingkindness), Servitude (God Servitude), Cleanliness (Virginal, Selfless, Pure, Diametric in Gift, of Elective Breathing, Parent), and last but certainly not least … Fortitude, and this would contain the enigma.

These fell down before the Lamb. What is understood in the falling down is a dying of the old, that we might receive our working “Breath.” In this, the Lamb IS the preexisting placement in Godliness–its Parent Person. The twenty-four elders are the Truth Prophets, orchestrated by God.

The harp represents the instrument continuous–the Spirit Verse. The golden bowls full of incense are the Gifts given to each saint ordained by God. The prayers are what has been offered to these, and accepted, and in and through acceptance is the Spirit-continuity of Workmanship for God Purpose in the Prophesy of God and man ongoing.

By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?


Section from SORROW by L Thiel

The problem of tears, especially where it concerns beginners, is a rare obscure matter and hard to analyze since tears can come about in various ways. Tears come from nature, from God, from suffering good or bad, from vainglory, from licentiousness, from the remembrance of death … John Klimacus, The Ladder of Divine Ascent


One Comment
  1. Alfred,

    Thank you, and thank you, this is aptly stated; however, I have heard two traditions on the chrismated name, You call it a conversion to ____, in your case, Catholicism. There are those who choose a saint’s name because they relate in some manner to Thomas, or Paul, or Francis … and this is a religious tradition. Then there is the Name given you by God, through the Angelic. The Apostles were given their Names by One, One who called these [Many are called (invited), few are chosen]. The Apostles did not choose their Names; these were God given. Names have meaning in the Spiritual Language within the Community. I “receive” the Name Photini. I did not choose this name, for I knew not of my fuller purpose at the time it was given me, but I come into this Name as I Live, and exercise in the Spiritual Gifts awarded me. Take the name Anton. This means Priceless, worthy of praise …

    Angels have gifts, too, as you know. How do you know that the name you have chosen for yourself in the early stages of your LIFE IN CHRIST is the name by Whom you are called? In truth, dear Brother, you look like an Anton to me :~)
    Peace and Love

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